Automotive Projects Blog
This project is a bit of a bucket list project. My first car was a Triumph Herald (see car history) and since then I have always wanted the bigger engine Vitesse. This is a Mk2 with the rotoflex suspension, overdrive and of course it’s lid free.
Today I braved the low temperatures for another few hours of disassembly. The throttle cable and the throttle peddle were first out followed by the footwell backing boards and insulation behind them. Then the speedo cable and RPM cable followed by the heater control cable. As I am dismantling I am taking copious photos and trying to label everything in ziplock bags and then taking of photos of the bags so I know where everything went.
Next was the wiper motor, wiper cable and the trunking that protects it. All was going well until I tried to remove the wiper boxes. I was curious as to why the wiper arm mounting and lock nut had been painted body colour as the lock nut was originally chromed. The reason was that the lock nuts on both sides had ceased onto the wheel box threads and been left in-situ when the tub was repainted, rather than being removed. Both will need replacing along with the rubber gromets they sit on. Rimmers has them listed as Wiper Box – 32 Teeth – 122781 Qty Req-2, vehicles from 1969. I will need to check if mine is the 32 teeth variety by looking at the gear wheel in the wiper motor which should have 160 stamped on it.
At this point I needed to warm up, but there isn’t much more to do before the front tub can be removed. Just the brake and clutch master cylinders, the heater and disconnection of some more of the wiring loom.
Firstly, the straightforward stuff: windscreen wipers, water jets, steering wheel and the windscreen. With the windscreen removed, then removal of the air vents on top of the dash and the dashboard itself, is a lot easier. Looking at the additional switches added to the standard dash layout, I knew someone had been fiddling, but one peak behind the dash confirmed the extent. I bit of a rats nest. I will need to trace many of the wires to figure out what has been done. I will also definitely need to redo the earthing. There were earth wires strewn everywhere. Some grouped and connected to the back of gauges but not even tightened up. I am sure most of the dash functionality would have been intermittent at best.
After some time on the keyboard and a couple of visits to potential candidates, I found one. Well not just the rear tub. I ended up buying pretty much the whole car. The back story here is that its owner had started the restoration a number of years ago but has since been distracted by other projects and the car has been sitting under tarp at the bottom of this garden ever since. I hope he won’t mind me using his first name here, but Dave has a passion for building small steam tractors from steel, brass, drawings and his lathes. His engineering skill and attention to detail are something I can only admire and wonder at. I fear that when Dave and other engineers of of his generation finally turn their lathes off, we will lose this capability for ever.
The car Dave had started to restore was a 13/60 convertible. The rear tub had been refurbished and fully painted. The front tub was likewise almost finished as was the chassis. The bonnet and ancillaries were yet to be completed. The car was still in pieces, but that was fine as it would save me the job of dismantling it. Not only did this car cost me less than the price of buying new panels, and save me the time of welding them all together, I also bought some of Dave’s engineering skill as I an expecting the welding and structural integrity of the shell to be as precise as components he is making for this steam tractors. And the other major positive was meeting and talking to Dave. Great chap.
In order to see where and how the sills had been welded to the tubs I got my flappy grinding disc out and removed some paint from the treat plates. Oh dear. Filler and rust. Why to “restorers” do this? It should be a criminal offense compromise the structural integrity of a classic with inappropriate welding where it wasn’t needed and using filler instead of new welded steel where it is needed. Rant over.
Having cut the sills off the rear tub is finally free to move. I am now at a decision point. The rear tub needs the following work:
All but the brackets can be bought from a number of suppliers and I am sure I could weld it all together given time and patience. The alternative is to source another rear tub and swap it over. Time to hit the keyboard and see what’s on offer.
There is a lot of welding work to do in the boot. The floor, both boot corners and the inner wheel arch. Whilst I understand that major welding jobs are best done with the tub bolted onto the chassis to make sure it will fit back when finished, I also appreciate that some of these jobs could be done with the tub off the vehicle for easier access. Especially the stell preparation, sealing, priming and painting. As I have previously mentioned, moving the rear tub would also allow me to make sure that the issues with the door closure could be fixed with tub repositioning.
Are here the fun starts. Having removed bolts holding the chassis to the rear tub (some needed an angle grinder) the tub remained firmly in place. Then I realised why.
THE SILLS HAVE BEEN WELDED ON!!.
Not just to the rear tub but to the front tub as well, effectively bonding the front and rear tubs together. And to make it even worse, the welding has been done with the front and rear tubs misaligned which is why the doors wouldn’t shut properly.
So the next job is to cut the sills off.
First to be removed were the chrome rear overriders. Two bolts each from inside the boot to captive nuts on brackets welded to the inner overriders. Easier said than done. The long lower bolt on the right hand side was seized and eventually seared after destroying the captive nut encloser. Job for another day.
Then came the rear valance which was riveted to each rear side valance and bolted to the tub with a series of bolts under the boot seal and the boot catch itself. Whilst drilling out the rivets I realised that all of the rear valance panels were fibreglass. I’m not sure they will be going back on.
After the right and left rear valances were removed it allowed access to the boot floor side panels which will both need attention along with their adjacent boot floor sections where the chassis bolts through. As I was working in that area I also undid the chassis bolts on each side. The right side put up a bit of a struggle as a previous owner had already rounded the bolt heads.
Whomever put this back together the last time did not do a good job. Although the hood is of good quality, it’s fitting was very poor using whatever bolts/screws were available in the workshop and without any effort to maintain the frame itself or its fixings before the new hood was fitted. The frame will need sand blasting, painting and the hood will eventually need replacing – probably black this time.
One question I will need an answer before I start re-assembly is how to position the hood header rail and the quarter lights in both doors. Do the quarter lights sit under the header rail or alongside it? Do the tops of the quarter lights sit flush with the top of the windscreen surround? I need to find a car show and take some photos of good examples.
My initial focus is to slacken the bolts holding the rear tub, and make sure that the door and bonnet gaps will eventually be able to look the part once the car is finished. To do this I started by:
After inspecting the floor pan from the inside, there is definitely some work needs doing to repair rust spots and perforations, although the majority will simply need cleaning and painting. As with the underside.
The more I see however, the more I am coming to understand that I have caught this car on the brink. Another couple of years exposed to UK weather would have most probably left this car’s body shell as scrap and too far gone to realistically restore. With this in mind I have decided to strip the car back to it’s shell and chassis and do the job properly.
After getting it home, an initial inspection has revealed the following:
It seems a long list and I fully expect it to get even longer as I delve deeper, but this is what I expected for a 55 year old car that has seen many owners. I didn’t buy a one owner concours car. I bought a project.